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:iconjakezdaniel:
JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009   Photographer
I'd like to fav it but it would be stealing I guess...
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009
i think the point i am trying to make, is about society
rather than just about art and artist's possessiveness

people are becoming increasingly private

whilst i favour individualism and independance
i believe that consumer exploitation of the market of individuals.. in which
every individual owns their own copy and no one shares... is a poor use of precious resources....

i find the consumerist ideal of turning everything into a product obscene.. and purely short-termist

we, as a global society would do better to address the needs of individuals rather than marketing endless whims to them
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:iconjakezdaniel:
JakezDaniel Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009   Photographer
I do understand and share the point ;)
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2009
as i clicked send... i noticed your joke
and smiled ;)
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2009
:thumbsup:
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:iconlordyo:
lordyo Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2009
when i count from 5 to 1
you will wake up and not remember anything you have seen
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:iconlordyo:
lordyo Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
"I have to believe that when my eyes are closed,
the world's still there.
Do I believe the world's still there?
Is it still out there?
...Yeah.
We all need mirrors
to remind ourselves who we are.
I'm no different...
Now...
where was I?"
- Leonard Shelby, "Memento"
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2009
maybe this is just a dream
and when you wake you will be a goldfish, in a bowl
and won't even remember the dream you just had
:fish:
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:iconlauratringaliholmes:
LauraTringaliHolmes Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009
Are you a musician?
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009
yes, isn't everyone?
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:iconlauratringaliholmes:
LauraTringaliHolmes Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009
No, not everyone is, at least not in my life.
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009
i just believe that we all can be, same as we are all artists... we are all thieves... in that it is so easy to be

what is it that makes the difference between one who is and one who isn't?
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:iconlauratringaliholmes:
LauraTringaliHolmes Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009
I think it's that if you don't set some sort of standard, the thievery cascades, as thieves become inured to wrong action. Lifting a candybar, a postcard, a tune...do enough of that and the electricity carves a path in your brain and then you're stealing others' dignity and self-respect. Having thought about this some more, I think I have shifted to what I will call, for lack of a better term, the We Are The Art school of thought. Meaning that I think our very lives can be and should be artfully lived. Looking at it this way, when you steal from me, you mess with my integrity and commit an act of violence by taking something that I probably would have given freely. So you mess with my intent.

I think the discussion becomes more complex as one considers the infinite layers of viewpoints. I brought up the music question because we have been lucky enough to establish a sort of bunker-like insulation around my daughter Emma. Early on, when she was only 15, one of her (now retired) songs was going to be remixed (with beats--remember when that was all the rage?) by a rather well known old-school rapper. He could have taken the music...he being big and she being little...but he asked first.

And she decided no. And it was all cool.

We're not all theives, not by a long shot.

And I have a working philosophy concerning the difference between one who is and one who isn't, but that's a whole 'nother subject entirely!

Enjoy your weekend...we are doing faily cornstalking, pumpkin picking, and art-fairing today, primed to consume cider and doughnets in generous quantities!
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009
wow lucky you... that sounds like an active, fun and rewarding day

no we are not all thieves... it is a choice we make

but then it depends on how you view ownership
if someone were to view all property as theft... someone once said to me... you can't own food...
if i believe that all property is theft... then if i take an apple from a tree
in some eyes, it is stealing.. but maybe to me it is and apple... a fruit of the earth

perhaps in such cases it is more an act of animalism how we declare ownership but the law replaces the aggressive fight for dominance...

do scavengers steal from the lions?

In the UK we seem to have quite a lot of gold, silver and diamonds... i don't think they occur here... i guess we traded it... or was it finders keepers
people seem to think that they own the apples in their back gardens... and many would rather have them rot on the ground than for someone to take them

Anyway... yes, i am a musician... i have been teaching guitar and bass this morning
have some songs to go over for a gig this evening... i have never played with this band before, so won't be out to steal the limelight, or anyone's thunder... but i am not driving so :beer:
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:iconlauratringaliholmes:
LauraTringaliHolmes Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009
Na zdrovyeh! (means "cheers, good health, live a hundred years--lots of interpretations), but it's a drinking toast to you. Wishing you a night that cooks!
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009
thanks, hope yours cooked too!
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privatedanser Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009
i read all the debate.
i must say i understand your issue, agree with it from a certain point of view.

not totally though.


this one makes me feel unsure . aren't you making a caricature of the concept ?
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009
it's just an issue hanan
i wouldn't say that i own it

it is a big issue
big enough to share
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:iconprivatedanser:
privatedanser Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009
again the sharing idea. i am with you on this, but i am wondering ... why do you think the possessiveness of artists on their own work is more to blame than the non integrity of the "thieves".

just out of curiosity . i read all your answers on the "private" deviation and i understand that you'd be tired of repeating the same thing again and again .
i am just curious why i don't get you. well i understand, but i don't see.

i have been asked several times for prints on DA, by friends usually, i sent them the original photo by mail, naturally . i agree that art is to be shared.
someone asked my permission to use one of my photos as an album cover .i said yes too..
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009
It is a funny concept... that of thieves
almost as though thieves were those who were expected to know better...
the villains

the thing is if they should know better.. then why don't they?
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:iconprivatedanser:
privatedanser Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009
endless debate, for sure ..

maybe i am too coward, maybe i am too sleepy.
i'll say good night Dave .

:heart:
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009
:heart:
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:iconpublicsecrecy:
PublicSecrecy Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009  Student Photographer
Wait, what's going on?
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009
have you noticed
the world is becoming private
it's been happening slowly
bit by by bit

we are free
to do what we want
in private

but... public
that is somebody else's

who are the public?
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:iconchicoflaco:
chicoflaco Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009
The public is nothing more than a group of individuals. In terms of art, you Davespertine, aren't obligated in any way to show your art, but some of us here on deviantart are appreciative
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009
thanks chico :)
i have no intention of not showing my art
but at the moment i am exploring this little avenue of thought :thumbsup:
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:iconpublicsecrecy:
PublicSecrecy Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2009  Student Photographer
I see what you're getting at, and it's eerily similar to the dichotomy which my username presents.
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:icondavespertine:
davespertine Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009
indeed :)
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